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Roos hop to contracts

Written By Unknown on Rabu, 20 Februari 2013 | 22.42

North Melbourne has re-signed co-vice captain Jack Ziebell for three years. Picture: Darren Tindale Source: Herald Sun

NORTH Melbourne has signed vice-captain Jack Ziebell on a three-year contract extension and is poised to secure free agent Daniel Wells on a deal that will ensure he sees out his AFL career at Arden Street.

Ziebell, 22 next week, has committed to the Kangaroos until the end of 2016.

"From my point of view North Melbourne is a really exciting place to be around and I'm loving my time here, so it was just a matter of getting the terms right and away we go," Ziebell said.

"We've seen other players at other clubs where contract talks have become a big thing, so for me getting it out of the way and being able to concentrate on my footy was a high priority.

"With the exciting group of young blokes we've got at the club, why would you want to be anywhere else?

"North's been really great to me and I'm hoping I can return the favour over the next few years."


Ziebell had minor knee surgery last month but is in the Roos squad to play Melbourne and Richmond in the first round NAB Cup fixture at Etihad Stadium tomorrow night.

"It was just a little tidy-up and I only missed a couple of weeks. I was back into full training about three weeks ago and I'm ready to go," he said.

West Australian Wells is also in the squad despite having been nursed through pre-season with achilles soreness.

The 2011 club champion would be eligible for free agency at the end of the year, but the Roos expect to ink a deal this week that will also extend his contract until the end of 2016.

Wells spoke earlier this month about his desire to see out his AFL career with the Kangaroos.

"Hopefully I still have plenty of years," Wells, who turned 28 this month, said. "We have been through some tough times but we are a really good team and it's exciting to be part of and I want to help the young ones out."


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AFL considers blockbuster tax

The AFL is considering charging extra for blockbuster matches such as the Essendon v Collingwood Anzac Day clash. Picture: Wayne Ludbey. Source: Herald Sun

BLOCKBUSTER games could cost fans more to attend under a variable pricing concept floated by the AFL.

Extra revenue generated by a hike in gate prices above the standard $20, or possibly a tax on premium seating at high-demand games, would flow to the league's poorest clubs.

The AFL flagged the "variable ticket pricing" idea in an equalisation discussion paper sent to clubs last month.

Under a heading of "new revenue generation" it listed: "Possible examples include proceeds from variable ticket pricing."

The AFL has conducted research into variable pricing, which is common in the US, and has asked clubs for their views.

It's possible under the philosophy that prices could fall for low-demand games.

Collingwood president Eddie McGuire said blockbusters already paid their way and fans should not have to fork out more.

There's a big enough impost on people going to the game as it is without having to slug them even more

But Geelong has backed further exploration of the concept.

"Products that are in demand usually cost you more money," Geelong chief executive Brian Cook said yesterday.

"When you're playing sides that are on top of the ladder and draw big crowds, it costs you more to go to those games than games that are going to be least attended, that's the principal around it.

"In terms of how that will work, we don't know. If you look at models overseas, some are varying the gate admission price, some are varying the seat premium some are varying both.

"The AFL has been working on it for a little while. I still think it's a fair way off, (it's the) very early stages, I don't believe they would be looking at it for the 2014 season.

"It's an international model ... whether it is a relevant model for the AFL should be explored."

Collingwood president Eddie McGuire said: "I've got no idea what they're talking about."

"Blockbusters already pay their way through television rights and through catering rights and through membership and through AFL membership," he said.

"There's a big enough impost on people going to the game as it is without having to slug them even more."

The AFL has variable pricing for finals - last year's prices ranged from $46-$85 in the first week of September to $200-$390 for the Grand Final.

Cook said the fans needed to be carefully considered.

"That's an issue, you have to make very sure that there weren't particular clubs that were going to be disadvantaged because the supporters paid more than other clubs' supporters," he said.

"You wouldn't want the brunt of this to be covered by Collingwood, Essendon and Carlton supporters.

"I think you'll find that variable pricing will occur not only for Collingwood but another eight or nine sides.

"I think Geelong would (be affected) when we play two or three teams when it's our home game, and then you've got the derbies interstate."

The AFL said the league's executive was given a presentation late last year by a group who had worked with American sports.

"A concept about price differentials depending on demand for matches is a simple summary," a league spokesman said.

"We would hope that we would have some material that we're able to relay publicly probably in the next couple of weeks.

"We have to assess the potential outcomes it may have. We think about the effect on fans with every decision we make."

Variable pricing is the norm in the US where the majority of teams in MLB, the NBA and NHL charge different prices for the same seat depending on the game.

These prices are set at the start of each season.

Many American sports and their teams also use "dynamic ticket pricing", where clubs re-price tickets during the season, sometimes the day before a match.

Prices can go up or down based on demand.

Geelong confirmed its support for variable pricing in its official response to the AFL equalisation paper.

Clubs had until this week to respond to the discussion paper.

Club chief executives and presidents will meet with the AFL executive on March 20.


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Kennett slams AFL Commission

Former Hawthorn president Jeff Kennett slams the AFL Commission for dropping the ball on integrity. Picture: David Caird. Source: Herald Sun

FORMER Hawthorn president Jeff Kennett says the powerful AFL Commission has compromised the integrity of the game.

Kennett said the Melbourne tanking decision, the sacking of Adelaide recruiter Matt Rendell and Stephen Trigg's survival from the Crows salary cap rort was bad governance.

"I know they work hard and I know the chairman works hard, but they have allowed what I consider to be the highest standards of governance to be eroded," Kennett said.

"I think they could have overseen the upholding of higher standards.

"And they've got to accept collective responsibility for that.

"But my biggest worry is that it makes it difficult for the next time (a club offends).

"And they will. People will push the white line.

"Everyone might hold their breath for a year and then someone will start to ty and get an advantage and cross that line again."

The nine-person league commission includes chairman Mike Fitzpatrick, chief executive Andrew Demetriou, Paul Bassat, Linda Dessau, Richard Goyder, Bill Kelty, Chris Langford, Chris Lynch and Sam Mostyn.

"All of the people on that commission are people of substance. Each of them has experiences and qualifications that have them as leaders in their field - in the law, in commerce and unions. They are all eminent persons," Kennett said.

"But my concern is that the administration has always seemed to be driving the agenda.

"Andrew (Demetriou) is a very forceful character, instead of a CEO being invited to attend - and that's not unusual - but he has been there a long time.

"That also stifles a lot of debate and, when he takes up a position, he is often very difficult to turn.

"If you've got good governance practices in place you'll always be looking towards the long-term development and growth of the competition.

"And what has happened in recent times is there has been compromise after compromise after compromise.

"The Matt Rendell thing was just appalling.

"That man was driven out by senior officers of the AFL and by his club.

"It was unacceptable. But whether the commission should have intervened - or whether the commission even knew about it until after the event - I don't know."

Kennett said Trigg's survival for more serious indiscretions was a contradiction.

"This was a plain breach of the rules by senior people. And if that had happened in the organisation that any of those commissioners were running ... they would have been out of that job together. You would never come back," he said.

Asked about the Melbourne tanking investigation, Kennett said: "I don't understand how you are not found guilty - but you are fined and two of your officers are suspended."

He said the NRL's handling of the Melbourne Storm salary cap scandal was an example of strong leadership.

Sydney premiership coach Paul Roos said the AFL shared some of the blame for the Melbourne tanking saga.

"I guess the biggest problem is the system created by the AFL to give teams the incentive to lose games of football," Roos told SEN.

"That was the system that was in place ... and clearly there were clubs that took advantage of that."

But Demetriou maintained yesterday on 3AW there was no evidence Melbourne had tanked.

The AFL declined to respond to Kennett's comments last night.


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Bombers buoyed by ASADA briefing

Essendon players set to be interviewed by ASADA in regard to alleged use of performance-enhancing drugs.

Essendon chairman David Evans has promised his members answers amid ASADA's investigations into the use of banned substances at the club. Source: Getty Images

ESSENDON players were told by the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority yesterday they could escape suspension under a World Anti-Doping Authority get-out clause.

With interviews with ASADA starting within days, the players were briefed on details of the "no fault or negligence" clause, revealed exclusively by the Herald Sun on Tuesday.

The clause allows athletes to escape punishment under "exceptional circumstances" if it can be proved they were given illegal substances against their consent.

Special clause: Ray of hope for Dons

Players were told by the anti-doping body they could argue that clause applied to them, even if it was eventually proved they were injected with illegal peptides.

That investigation could still take months, but players are known to have been overwhelmingly relieved that they could still be found innocent even if unwittingly caught up in the doping controversy.

Players would still have to argue their innocence - most likely in front of an AFL tribunal - but it is the first sign Essendon players could emerge unscathed.

It is known ASADA was extremely careful with the language used with players and, considering evidence that could emerge in the coming investigation, did not provide any guarantees.

The AFL will appoint another person to its integrity department, with two part-time members being elevated to full-time.

The AFL Commission also ratified an enhanced registry of club staff and personnel, including sports scientists, and agreed to adopt rules on mandatory reporting to the AFL of doping activities and approaches.

A second meeting for the parents of Essendon players and former Bombers caught in the controversy has been postponed until next week because of the short notice.

WADA's rule 10.5.1 on No Fault or Negligence states if an athlete can prove"in an individual case that he or she bears no fault or negligence, the otherwise applicable period of ineligibility shall be eliminated".

Essendon and its players are not out of the woods, considering issues over the chain of command at the club and the potential use of intravenous infusions which are illegal under the WADA code.

But following the dark cloud that has engulfed Windy Hill, the players understandably were relieved by the developments.

Essendon chairman David Evans said yesterday in a video message to all supporters that ASADA was continuing with its investigations.

"ASADA outlined the process for the investigation to continue, including interviews with players, to determine if a prohibited substance had been administered," he said.

"I know our members and the football community want answers, and I ask that the club be allowed time to co-operate with the ongoing investigation."


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Terms just don't add up

Essendon assistant coach Dean Wallis was banned for 14 matches after betting on football. Picture: George Salpigtidis Source: Herald Sun

OF everyone who assessed the punishments for Dean Bailey and Chris Connolly on Tuesday, you can only wonder what Essendon's Dean Wallis was thinking?

Or what Matthew Rendell was thinking?

Or the time-keeper or goal umpire who gambled?

Or Peter Blucher, or Stephen Trigg, or Kurt Tippett who were salary-cap cheats?

It ain't easy for the AFL to act as arresting officer, the prosecution and ultimately the judge on AFL issues.

And, indeed, you really can't think of a worse day for the AFL's PR than Tuesday, when Gil McLachlan was forced to explain the unexplainable.

Fair effort, too, from Gil because the lawyers had told him he had to swim between the flags and, unfortunately, for him, those flags were less than a metre apart.

At the very least, his comment that he didn't know what tanking was will be in the AFL's Hall of Fame of Hilarity.


Clearly, the penalties were negotiated, which is a concern.

If you're an integrity department investigating issues of integrity, then your integrity can't be compromised by making deals.

The AFL's punishment system, meanwhile, is out of whack.

In September, 2011, Wallis was banned from coaching activities for 14 matches, which was effectively until July, 2012, after laying three bets on AFL matches at a total cost of $400. He sat out longer than what Trigg will, after he copped six months for salary-cap cheating.

And he was a fortnight shy of Bailey's penalty, who was found to have been pressured into decisions on team selection and player positioning - which wasn't tanking, mind you.

So, Trigg cheated the cap, Bailey didn't tank but was suspended for something close to it, and Wallis put on a $100 quaddie.

Meanwhile, Rendell was sacked for making a racist comment, Tippett's manager Peter Blucher got 12 months for mishandling Tippett's deals and Connolly got 12 months for warning officials about the importance of losing matches in order to secure a priority picks.

And in 2010, there was the goal umpire who missed six months for punting $60, the trainee timekeeper who got whacked five weeks for placing a $5 bet, and the interchange steward who got six months for placing four bets totalling $9.

Think about that, again: The interchange steward got the same penalty as Trigg and Bailey.

If it's all about integrity, then maybe it's time the clubs asked for integrity officers to be placed in the penalties department.


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Penalty harsh on pair: Parkin

Written By Unknown on Selasa, 19 Februari 2013 | 22.42

Acting AFL general manager Gillon McLachlan explains why they concluded no tanking occurred at Melbourne Demons.

AFLCA president David Parkin says the penalties handed out to Dean Bailey and Chris Connolly are harsh. Picture: Julie Kiriacoudis. Source: Herald Sun

THE AFL Coaches' Association has expressed its disappointment in the 16-match ban on former Melbourne coach Dean Bailey for his involvement in the Demons' tanking scandal.

Now an assistant coach at Adelaide, Bailey can continue working for the Crows during his ban, but is not permitted to have any matchday role or work with the players.

AFLCA president David Parkin said last night he felt sorry for Bailey and former Melbourne football manager Chris Connolly, who has been banned for working with the Demons until next February.

"I personally thought the penalty was pretty harsh and really tough on Dean," Parkin said.

"They (AFL) set up a competition where it encourages people to do exactly what they are criticising them for doing. I have been tempted and gone down that road, too.

"I am sad for the blokes. I don't know Dean well, but they tell me he is a terrific bloke and he has been on the end of a sacking and now he is on the end of a 16-match ban."

Parkin, who coached at Hawthorn, Carlton and Fitzroy, said he had mentored Connolly when he went into coaching at Fremantle.

"He is a really good man and a really good football person and a real footy head who loves the game,"

Parkin said. "I have rung him and texted him and I've had no response, so I guess he'd be a pretty shattered man."

The coaches' association said it was happy the Crows were backing Bailey.

"The AFLCA is disappointed with the sanction handed down to Dean Bailey today, for the impact it will have on Dean and the Adelaide Crows Football Club," operations manager Paul Armstrong said last night.

"Dean is a highly regarded coach and a respected member of the AFLCA and this will continue."


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No tanks, says defiant Demetriou

AFL boss Andrew Demetriou is sticking to his guns . Source: Herald Sun

'You're right! It says Range Rover, not tank' - David McArthur cartoon Source: Herald Sun

A DEFIANT Andrew Demetriou last night declared tanking had never taken place in the AFL.

The AFL boss told the Herald Sun teams had never set out to deliberately lose games and secure draft picks.

"I have no evidence to support the view that tanking exists," Demetriou said.

"If you are asking me the question that has been asked before: 'Do I think players purposely go out to lose games?'

"I've said in my heart of hearts I don't believe that ever to be the case."

Asked if coaches could orchestrate tanking, Demetriou said: "Well, we've got no evidence to support otherwise...and we have got very, very good investigators."

Melbourne was yesterday fined $500,000 - the third largest financial sanction in AFL history - but found not guilty of tanking after a seven-month investigation.


Instead, former football boss Chris Connolly and former coach Dean Bailey were slapped with lengthy suspensions for "acting in a manner prejudicial to the interests of the AFL".

The resolution to the tanking saga was seen as a major victory for Melbourne, who had threatened Supreme Court action if heavily punished.

Demetriou was a surprise no show at yesterday's announcement, leaving his deputy Gillon McLachlan to explain the penalties.

"The Melbourne Football Club did not set out to deliberately lose matches in any game in 2009," McLachlan said.

"All I can say is on the evidence that I was presented...there is no allegation that is able to be sustained that Dean Bailey didn't coach on his merits or the players didn't play to their up most ability."

Connolly was suspended for 12 months, while Bailey, now an assistant at Adelaide, was banned from coaching for the first 16 rounds of the season.

McLachlan said there was no evidence to suggest the Melbourne board, led in 2009 by the late Jim Stynes, or chief executive Cameron Schwab had given directives for the team to lose.

He said the club was fined for being the employers of Connolly and Bailey.

At the centre of the investigation were comments made by Connolly at a football department meeting in mid 2009, where he warned officials about the importance of losing matches to improve the club's draft position.

"Connolly has accepted he went into a football department meeting and he made a terrible and stupid decision in the context of an AFL rule that has now changed (priority draft picks) and in the context of pressure and expectation of success," McLachlan said.

"He made a comment regarding the performance of the team, a desire to secure a priority pick, and I know he now regrets that comment.

"I think he has accepted - and the evidence accepts it - that the people in that room took him seriously and acted in a way that they thought he meant.

"The AFL concluded Bailey acted upon Connolly's warning by making decisions about selection, player management and match-day positioning because of the pressure applied by Connolly."

But McLachlan said Bailey had always set out to win on match day.

"What I am saying is that he (Bailey) made decisions in response to the pressure of that meeting - that he had to appease Chris Connolly - and may have had an impact that goes to success, but he made no conscious decision on match day to lose games," McLachlan said.

"He made decisions in response to that which meant that he was resting players and playing players out of position in the context of pressure not to win."

Connolly, who no longer works in the Melbourne football department, has been guaranteed future employment at the club once his suspension is served.

Melbourne president Don McLardy said yesterday: "The findings...state clearly there was no directive from the club board or executive management to deliberately lose matches, and the Melbourne Football Club never set out to deliberately lose matches in any game during the 2009 season."

An Adelaide spokesman said last night: "We are extremely disappointed at the significant suspension which Dean has incurred following the AFL's investigation.

"The Adelaide Football Club will continue to provide its full support to Dean during this time and is totally committed to retaining him as a valued employee of the Football Club."

McLachlan said the tanking investigation involved interviews with 58 players, former players, coaches and club officials.


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New worry for Melbourne

Melbourne president Don McLardy today. Picture: Rob Leeson Source: Herald Sun

MELBOURNE faces a new investigation into tanking claims after the Victorian Commission for Gambling and Liquor Regulation announced last night it was conducting its own probe into the scandal.

The VCGLR can withdraw licences to operate gaming machines and force the removal of key officials if it finds an organisation has acted inappropriately.

Melbourne makes about $5 million annual profit from gaming machines at its two venues - the Leighoak Hotel at Oakleigh and the Bentleigh Club.

And the VCGLR has the power to make the AFL provide it with evidence gathered during its seven-month inquiry that ended yesterday.

A VCGLR statement read: "The Victorian Commission for Gambling and Liquor Regulation is currently undertaking its own inquiries into the tanking allegations raised against Melbourne Football Club and will be taking into account the findings handed down today by the AFL. The VCGLR will release a statement at the conclusion of its investigation."


Licensing expert Dennis Galimberti, of Hall and Thompson lawyers, said last night the commission could reach a different conclusion to the AFL.

"The VCGLR can subpoena records from the AFL and the whole brief of evidence," Galimberti said.

"They have the power under their act to call for all of the evidence that the AFL has gathered as part of their investigation. All of the evidence will be reviewed by the commission."

Galimberti said the commission would take the allegations against Melbourne "very seriously".

Former Melbourne coach Dean Bailey was suspended for 16 matches in his new role as an assistant coach with Adelaide, but may carry out a non-coaching role with the Crows.

And Chris Connolly, Melbourne's former football manager, was banned for 12 months from carrying out any role with the Demons.

Despite the finding that Melbourne did not tank, the AFL found Bailey and Connolly's behaviour was prejudicial to the league's interests.


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All clear...with a $500k fine

Melbourne FC president Don McLardy speaks to the press after his club was cleared of any wrongdoing in relation to alleged tanking in 2009. Picture: Rob Leeson Source: Herald Sun

DON McLardy spent 14 minutes yesterday celebrating the fact the Melbourne Football Club had been "cleared".

Yep. Let's repeat that. Cleared.

So a $500,000 fine and two employees found guilty of being dodgy is being cleared?

Apparently so.

The Melbourne president was clearly pumped that his board and senior management hadn't been nailed for that word which starts with "t" but seemingly no one knows its exact meaning.

"We're pleased with the result that has come out today that has effectively cleared our football club," he said.

A minute later he repeated it again.

"We have been going through this for seven months. It has been an enormously high price our club has paid to get the result we did today which basically clears our football club."

For a man who'd just had half a million dollars walk out the door, McLardy was remarkably relaxed.

Remember this is a club that made a statutory profit of just $19,000 last year.

So going on that ratio it will take the Demons another 26 years to recoup the fine.

Plus they're going to be paying marketing employee Chris Connolly - he was the footy boss back in 2009 - a couple of hundred thousand to take a year off.

But we're cleared so all good, according to McLardy.

During this drawn-out process the Demons had intimated they would go to hell and back to defend their employees and the honour of this great institution.

This was when the "t" word was being levelled at them with both guns after former player Brock McLean was remarkably frank on a television interview.

Now, with their conscience cleared in regards to the "t" word, there was a feeling at the MCG yesterday that everything was good again in the world of the red and the blue.

"A legal avenue is the last resort, not the first resort," McLardy said about the new no-fight policy.

"We sought to discuss openly with the AFL the situation and we feel this is a resolution that we can accept."

The Melbourne boss went on to repeatedly describe the process as complex and that they had to abide by the umpire's ruling.

This was the same umpire who in the past few months they'd bitched and moaned about because of the heavy-handedness of the interview process.

McLardy even suggested by accepting the lesser charges the football club had done the right thing given the problems in Australian sport right now.

"With what has been going around in Australian sport in the last few weeks I don't think there is any doubt that all of us realise that integrity is the most critical part of our game.

"If we are caught up slightly in that, well, I think that's for the good of Australian sport ... that's a small price we have to pay."

Small price?

Let's repeat that sum again - $500,000 - which happens to be the third-biggest fine in AFL history.

Maybe the prez has got his marketing hat on and is thinking of getting a bit of the cash back by selling a new T-shirt line out of the Demons shop with the slogan: "CLEARED - WE DIDN'T TANK."

That's the front. On the back in much smaller text it will say: "But we did get fined 500k."
 


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Why we should all feel insulted

Dean Bailey (right) and Chris Connolly pictured at the Junction Oval in 2007. Picture: Colleen Petch Source: Herald Sun

IF it looks like a tank, sounds like a tank and acts like a tank, it's a tank

THE football fan in all of us should feel insulted. Insulted and confused.

An investigation the AFL tried to ignore for several years ended with a determination that only two people spoke about tanking, that those two men rested players, those two played players out of position, but ultimately those two did not tank.

And the club didn't tank, but was fined $500,000.

And the club didn't complain about being whacked and, in fact, its officials actually praised the AFL.

And this, the best one of all - only two people knew about the situation; coach Dean Bailey and football manager Chris Connolly.

If we accept the AFL's line, Connolly must be a two-face.

He has convinced us he's a jovial, knee-slapping, humdinger of a bloke from the country, when, after yesterday, it is clear he is cunning and perhaps the most influential backroom standover merchant in the history of the AFL.

He's the Graeme Richmond of the modern AFL.

The man who clicks fingers, points fingers and barks orders.

And in this case, loses matches to gain priority picks.

Bailey must have panicked because, the AFL said, he felt pressured by Connolly.

To do what exactly is confusing - even more so because whatever he did earned him 16 weeks on the sidelines.

We know Bailey didn't tank on game days because the AFL told us so. But he rested players, which also wasn't tanking. And he played players out of position, but that's not tanking either.

So, Bailey is not guilty of tanking but guilty of playing players out of position and not picking players, which the AFL simply called prejudicial to the spirit of the AFL.

Sounds awfully like tanking.

Can't quite understand how Bailey could be pressured by Connolly.

He must have been frightened, so bloody frightened that after being told by Connolly to lose matches to gain priority picks, Bailey didn't even discuss this monumental and rule-breaking proceeding with anyone.

Not CEO Cameron Schwab. Not the prez, Don McLardy. Not the board. No one.

Confused or insulted any further?

Connolly sits out for 12 months for saying one sentence - in jest, arguably - in a footy meeting held mid-week and mid-season.

One bloody comment that was - yep - prejudicial to the interests of the AFL.

At times yesterday it felt like Gillon McLachlan was contradicting himself.

On one hand he said they didn't tank, but then admitted he didn't know what tanking was.

Another time, he said: "He (Bailey) felt pressured after that meeting and he made decisions in response to that, resting players and selection of players in certain positions ... there is no evidence that supports, for clarity, that on match day he did anything other than try to win the games and all players tried to win the games."

Another: "There is not just the resting of players and playing them in different positions, because that can be for developmental reasons, many other reasons. There is an admission here that was done to secure a priority pick."

And another: "What I am saying is that he (Bailey) made decisions in response to the pressure of that meeting, that he had to appease Chris Connolly and may have had an impact that goes to success, but he made no conscious decision on match day to lose games".

And, finally: "He made decisions in response to that, which meant that he was resting players and playing players out of position in the context of pressure not to win".

At least McLachlan took all questions and answered as best he could within the parameters of which the lawyers instructed him.

At least he was there.

The absence of chief executive Andrew Demetriou was the elephant in the room, and, though he explained last night there was nothing sinister or evasive about the decision, it wasn't a good look.

"This was a general manager of footy ops operation," he said.

"That's why I wasn't there."

Bad look on a momentous day?

"People can say that, but in keeping with past practices, the general manager of football operations is across all issues, rationales and reasonings and I'm happy to do interviews now that I've read the report."

The most accurate offering yesterday came from McLachlan when he said of tanking: "I don't think anything is in black and white in this world".

And that's why we remain insulted and confused.


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